Trump’s Call to Georgia: It’s as bad as you think.

Donald Trump’s party call to Georgia on January 2nd as reported by the Washington Post: a partial transcript.

Some people say this was leaked to WP from someone inside the Trump Administration. To me, when I first heard it, I thought it was recorded on the Georgia side. Makes more sense to me, but I don’t really care which party it was. It’s incriminating to Trump, and security for Raffensperger. Raffensperger played it straight and offered very little.

Trying to transcribe this is a mess because Trump speaks in a complete, jumbled mess. I mostly went verbatim, but cleaned up a little.

I skipped large chunks of it. There’s much more of the same throughout the hour plus recording, I just focused on the more continuous sections.

Trump speaks for probably 90% of the call. The first 15 minutes are an endless cult conspiracy theory rehash by Donny.

I want to say, these kind of phone calls, are probably what Donny has been doing for the past 2 months when he isn’t golfing. He clearly could just bullshit on the phone all day long, every day. In this particular instance, he is very comfortable playing the mob boss, handing out “suggestions” with accompanying veiled threats if those suggestions are not followed. He is honestly quite good at this.

In his own madman style, he does quite well in not finishing sentences or scattered thoughts that imply the type of action he wants, or the type of consequence that will follow if those actions are not met, while simultaneously not directly connecting the two. I will highlight those sentence/thought fragments.

It is worse than his Ukraine call. Much worse. Trump more clearly states he wants fraud to be committed on his behalf in order to win an election. Even if not as a legal matter, that this conversation happened at all, is not acceptable. I do not doubt that a similar conversation was had with other state(s).

Parties: Trump, Mark Meadows, and Trump lawyer Cleta Mitchell: Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, Sec. State Legal Counsel Ryan Germany.


Trump: By the way, a little information, I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots, because they have to get rid of the ballots. ‘Cause the ballots are unsigned, because the ballots are corrupt, and they’re brand new and they don’t have seals and there’s a whole thing with the ballots. But, the ballots are corrupt and you’re going to find that they are…which is totally illegal, it’s more illegal for you then it is for them because you know what they did and you’re not reporting it. That’s a criminal offense. You know, you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer. That’s a big risk. But, they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard and they are removing machinery, and they’re moving it as fast as they can. Both of which are criminal fines and you can’t let it happen and you are letting it happen, I mean, I’m notifying you that you are letting it happen.

So…look, all I want to do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have. Because we won the state and flipping the state is a great testament to our country, because you know, it’s a testament that they can admit to a mistake, or, whatever you want to call it. If it was a mistake, I don’t know. A lot of people think it wasn’t a mistake it was much more criminal than that. But, it’s a big problem in Georgia and it’s not a problem that’s going away. Not a problem that’s going away…

Ryan Germany: This is Ryan, we are looking at every one of those things that you mentioned…and our investigators…

Trump: Good, but if you find them, you got to say it.


Germany: Let me tell you what we are seeing. What we are seeing is *not at all what you’re describing* <with emphasis>. These are investigators from our office, these are investigators from GBI. And they’re looking, and they’re good, and that’s not what they’re seeing, and we’ll keep looking, we’ll keep looking at all these things…

Trump: Well you better check on the ballots, ’cause they are shredding ballots, I’m just telling you Ryan. they’re shredding ballots and you should look at that very carefully, because that’s so illegal. You may not even believe it, cause it’s so bad. But, they’re shredding ballots because they think we’ll eventually get there, because we’ll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion it’s never too late.

So, um that’s the story. Look, we need only 11,000 votes, we have far more than that as it stands now.


In speaking on Military/overseas ballots-

Trump: A large batch came in, and it was, quote, 100% for Biden and that is criminal, you know, that’s criminal. Okay, that’s another criminal. That’s another of the many criminal events. Many criminal events here.

Um. I don’t know, look Brad, I have to get, I have to find 12,000 votes and I have them, times a lot. And, therefore, I won the state. That’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of, right now, you know.

I watched you this morning and you said, ah, there was no criminality, but I mean all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff, when you talk about no criminality. I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that. I just don’t know why you don’t want to have the votes counted as they are.

So what are we going to do here, folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes, give me a break. We have that in spades already.

So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election, and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this. And it’s going to be very costly, in many ways, and I think you have to say you’re going to re-examine it and you can re-examine it. But re-examine it with people who want to find answers, not people that don’t want to hear answers.


There is one particular election employee Trump is stuck on, that is beeped out of the recording. He insists every vote she scanned went for Biden. Raffensperger says: that is not correct. Trump won’t let it go. Trump restates Raffensperger’s position as:

“He (Raffensperger) made that statement with surety [sic], but now I think he’s less sure, because the answer is: they all went to Biden, and that alone wins us the election by a lot.

Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information and we have our people that submit information, and then it comes before the court, and then the court makes a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.

Trump: Why do you say that though? Sure we can play this game with the courts.

***We have to stop there to highlight how messed up this exchange is. What Raffensperger is making clear is that to challenge the state’s finding, puts these two parties on opposite sides of a legal battle. What Trump is making clear, is that he is fully aware that every legal challenge is failing because it has no merit, but he’s bluffing that, sure we could do that if you wanted to. I want to subvert the rightful place of the courts with our own little agreement. Throughout this conversation, I’m letting you know, you better just do what I say, and make a deal that I won the state, or there will be personal legal consequences and/or future election consequences for you.***

Trump: Hey Brad, why wouldn’t you want to check out (beeped out election lady’s name) and why wouldn’t you want to say, hey, if in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia. Just that one incident alone, without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots. You just say, you stick by… I mean I’ve been watching you for…you don’t care about anything. Your numbers are right. But your numbers aren’t right. They’re really wrong and they’re really wrong Brad, and I know this phone call is going nowhere, but ultimately…

Look ultimately I win, okay? because you guys are so wrong and you’ve treated the population of Georgia so badly. Between you and your governor who was down 21 points, and like a schmuck, I endorsed him, and he got elected. But, I will tell you, he’s a disaster, and he will never…I can’t imagine. The people are so angry in Georgia, I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected right now.

But why wouldn’t you want to find the right answer, Brad? Instead of keeping saying the numbers are right, because those numbers are so wrong.


Mark Meadows jumps in with the idea, both sides just need to meet really soon and agree there’s some actual big issues that need to be examined and the Federal government wants access to Georgia voter data.

Trump then threatens if they don’t settle what Trump wants, the upcoming runoff won’t go to the republicans. Raffensperger says, you can meet with the lawyers and they’ll tell you why your beliefs are wrong. He is not going to have an official meeting with them, as if any of their fever dreams are true. Raffensperger won’t allow them access to Georgia state election data. He is putting the ball in their court to go to court if they want.

Throughout this conversation, Trump highlights how Stacey Abrams is making a fool out of Georgia GOP. Everyone hates the Georgia Governor and Raffensperger.

Trump: Brad, we just want the truth, it’s simple. And ah, and everyone’s going to look very good if the truth comes out. It’s ok, it might take a little while. But, let the truth come out. And the real truth is I won by 400,000 votes, at least. That’s the real truth. But, we don’t need 400,000 votes, we need less than 2000 votes.


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I’d like to add, now that it seems more evident that this leak to WP came from the Georgia side and not the Trump admin, this makes more sense to what I originally posited.

Also, it is now reported this was the 18th attempt by Donny to get Raffensperger on the phone. 18. So my original assessment that this is how Donny has likely spent the last two months in office, aside from golfing, is closer to being accurate.

Excerpts of Intel Committee Transcript to Release Nunes Memo

ADDED:  Released memo is full of supposition and hearsay; not a legal document AT ALL.  It is what it is–a device to give Trump a little cover to go ahead and fire Rosenstein.

Read it here.


After reading through the House Intel Committee meeting to release the Nunes memo, it is obvious that the committee members oftentimes are not aware of the committee’s direction, what activities the committee is up to, and what individual members of the committee are up to, particularly in regards to the democratic members.  It is not clear that anyone except Nunes knows who has even had access to his memo and underlying materials.  It is not clear Nunes is particularly involved in this meeting other than to reside over it til such a time as the vote to have the memo released is passed.

As example of this dysfunction, here is how the committee comes to understand that the DOJ and FBI appear to be under investigation and, by this sudden revelation, is formed Nunes unilateral decision that no one shall review the document, because of this suddenly apparent investigation. (Please note, if any GOP committee member says again it was not put forth by this committee that DOJ and FBI are under investigation, it has been presented by the Chairman that they in fact are):

in response to Schiff’s request to have the document reviewed and redacted as necessary by the FBI or DOJ, page 21:



Nunes answers this question by stating a subpoena was put out to receive documents from the FBI, therefore, there’s an ongoing investigation.  ?

For whatever reason this is allowed to pass until sometime later on, but read all of this, page 23-25:




Nunes avoids answering.  It is clear to the Democrats, at this point, how this is going to go down.

The vote to release the memo.  All GOP yes, All Dems no.

The decision to have the memo reviewed by one of any outside parties. All GOP no, all Dems yes.

The vote to have the minority memo released simultaneously.  All GOP no, all Dems yes.

Chair relents to take a vote on releasing the minority memo at a later date.

Now here is the best statement made in this meeting by the honorable and right smart democrat, Jim Himes of CT:



This is an accurate portrayal of what will happen.  It is entirely correct.  Let me tell you what I presume.

The Nunes memo will be released.  It will state, in some fashion, that the Steele dossier is being used to support the claim that the FISA warrant should be reissued.  It will also probably have something along the lines of an FBI payment to Steele (or something equally dreadful), that is my guess..and I think that was already alluded to in the Fusion GPS testimony.  We’ll get back to that little piece of tom foolery if and when it happens.

Following will be a mini shitstorm and then the release of the minority memo, which will, by and large, tear the Nunes memo to shreds for it’s inaccurate and incomplete portrayal.  That’s how it plays out, right?

So here’s the deal.  Assuming the minority’s argument is sound in it’s dissection of the Nunes memo, we stand back and say, “Yes, the minority argument shows the fallacy in the Nunes memo as they now stand, but…but, how can I be certain all of the facts are accurately portrayed without seeing the source document, the FISA warrant itself?”

You think Nunes hasn’t thought of all of this?  Does it seem like, in what you’ve read so far, that Nunes gives a fuck?  Is it likely that Nunes also knows that someone, “Will get tarred for being imprudent”?  He’s sitting here right now listening to all of this, and he can’t wait to just have the vote over and done with.

Page 26:


Page 27:


Schiff, page 28:


Schiff, page 37:


Page 40:


Everything you’ve read here is a Democrat, aside from Nunes.  All the Republicans have to say is this:




In the middle of all of this, Schiff says (paraphrasing): Well okay.  If that’s the way it’s gonna be.  We shall do what you refuse to do.  We’ll have the FBI look at the minority memo first, to check it for accuracy against the source data and to redact anything that could be harmful.  If this has to happen, we’re going to do it the right way.

Now why didn’t Nunes say, “You can’t do that…I’ve just told you they’re under investigation and can’t be trusted!”

He doesn’t say that.  he doesn’t care.  He doesn’t care that there’s gonna be hell to pay when this all gets cleared up.  None of that matters.

The only thing that ever mattered was creating this little window of a narrative for one to two weeks.  That’s all that matters.  There aren’t any other apparent bullets in the chamber.  This is it.  These one-two weeks.  That’s what this whole ridiculous exercise is for.

So what’s going to happen in these one-two weeks?



We cannot guess what these changes mean because we have no idea what is in either document.  Schiff’s letter seems to indicate it was not dramatic changes, he calls it a “material” changes.  Schiff argues in this letter the entire memo should be disregarded at this point, as the majority is not at all dealing in good faith.  In another time; in another place that might make a difference, but as the entire affair is a clusterfuck of theatrical obfuscation from beginning to end, I can’t see how reason or logic will have any standing in this now.